Now what?

There has been some recent discord going on in guild.  Discussions on how we have changed and if it is for the better.  I have mentioned before that during BC Call of Fate never really got out of Kara.  When Mis reformed all of us as Echo of Fate the goal was to see the end game raiding world.  We wanted to take down the Lich King.  Currently Echo of Fate is positioned to where we will see it happen.  The problem that arises is that attitudes change and people who have not been 100% on board for it are feeling the strain.

Echo of fate is first and foremost a casual guild of friends.  Yes we raid, but we are not a raiding guild.  We raid because that is what our members enjoy doing.  We had always been primarily about bringing our guildies and working with what we have vs ZOMG GEAR!  The downside to that is that we stall on progression while we get people geared up.  Or if we push on progression then we leave guildies behind.  Personally I’d rather cut back on progression and get the guildies geared up.  The less people I have to pug for a raid the better off we are as a whole.  Yes, we have recently gotten some new recruits from PuGing, but I would still rather only bring guildies.

I have proposed (OK so I told everyone this is how it would work) that Wednesday night’s ICC run in the lower spire will be bringing in the lesser prepared guildies in to get some gear and rep.  The first 3 fights don’t really require a metric crap ton of dps so we should be perfectly fine with bringing some people who don’t pull 5k dps.  In fact last week showed that we were more than fine.  Now I am not saying that we don’t bring a few dps who pull more than average *cough*Andrew*cough* to help out with lower than normal numbers but it isnt mandatory.  On Saturday we would tackle the newer bosses and get some progression going.  This last week worked out perfectly for that.  Wednesday we cleared up to Saurfang and even got a few good attempts on him.  Saturday we knocked him out and took down Festergut again.  We made several attempts at Rotface as well.  All in all it was a good week for ICC.  There is no reason why this will not be the case in the future.

One of the other issues that has popped up is the attitude change.  Some people are really acquiring an elitist attitude and it is hurting other aspects.  Gearscore numbers are being thrown around like it is the be-all end-all of everything.  That just drives me up the wall.  I use gear score to get an idea of where people could successfully perform well.  For example:  If a player is ilvl 200 geared I might not bring them to ICC if they were a tank or a healer (unless they were like a 3rd healer with 2 well geared healers) but I would be willing to give them a chance to dps if I knew they were competent.  Take Arioch’s DK for example.  She was not even fully ilvl 200 geared and we brought her into ICC 10 to the lower spire.  She was using a weapon from a heroic 5 man.  I don’t even think it was an epic.  She still managed to stay above the tanks.  She stayed out of the bad and followed directions.  She was every raid leader’s dream.  Now a RL wet dream would be someone who did that, wasn’t an ass and pulled 7k dps, but I digress.  She pulled about 3k-3.5k dps.  Was I upset?  Nope.  I thought she did fantastic and I can’t wait to see how much better she does on Wednesday now that she has a few upgrades.  We had a similar story with one of our returning raiders.  Felix had been gone for several months and when he came back we pulled him into ICC in ilvl 213 gear (Ulduar).  That first night he did only 2.3k dps.  He got 2 upgrades and moved up to 3.5k dps.  This week after several new pieces saw him pulling 5.5k-6.6k dps.  Skill is needed no matter what.  Gear just helps skill to shine.

We have a few people who are waving their epeen around and it is just making others very unhappy.  Issues with gear drops have happened.  It isn’t always in main chat though.  I get whispers from people, the O chat lights up and the healer channel jumps in as well.  We use main spec roll, then off spec roll.  Once you win something you cannot roll again unless no one wants it.  MOST of the time that works.  There have been issues where some people come in on a different spec than what is their “main” spec, despite never raiding on that spec, and wanting to roll on everything.  I am not alone in saying that I am unhappy with this attitude.  Having one uber geared person in the raid is NOT going to make the raid a better machine.  Getting the upgrades to the people who TRULY need it is VASTLY more important to the raid as a whole.  I don’t know if this means we need to change our loot rules or what.  Something has to change though.

Raiding, to me, is more about the group than the person.  Would I love to bring my warlock in and get her all decked out so that she can bring the pain?  Yes, yes I would.  Do I say: “Oh I don’t need gear on Tatia anymore so I think I am going to bring my warlock instead.  Yes I know you guys need my druid heals, but gearing my warlock is more important.”  No, no I don’t.  I bring Tatia to the raids because I know that we need healers.  If we get to where we have the healers to make up for her loss, then I will start bringing Millea.  Until then I am going to keep doing what the raid as a whole needs.  Putting my wants over the raid isn’t a cool thing and it creates unneeded strife.

Someone mentioned to me that it felt like EoF was going back down the slippery slope that was CoF towards the end of BC.  We had a few assholish people in guild who basically made it out like they were the only reason that our guild got anywhere or did anything.  The focus was taken off the guild and pushed towards them.  Their backs must have been aching after carrying us so far /sarcasm.  They have since moved on to raiding guilds.  Several of them are never allowed to raid with us again.  There are a few that are dangerously close to acting like this and it is something that needs to be nipped in the bud.  No one really wants to play with a primadonna.

Another issue I feel like I am having is not having everyone’s attention while I am raid leading.  I kind of fell into the job during Ulduar.  While I enjoy it, having people ignore what I have asked to have done or flat out doing something else makes me not want to do it anymore.  I will gladly turn over the raid leading reins to someone else if they want them.  If I am not doing a good job, then someone just needs to let me know and I will step back.  I am already getting close to having too much on my plate so letting go of raid leading is something I have thought of.  If I don’t have the respect or attention of my raiders then why am I leading in the first place?  I have no problem with people giving me suggestions if I am doing something wrong; it just needs to be done the right way.  Don’t tell me over vent I am doing it wrong.  That diminishes me in front of the rest of the raid.  Don’t just do things on your own when I have asked to have it done a different way.  Whisper me and tell me there.  Trust me, if your idea or viewpoint is better I will use it.  I get whispers with suggestions constantly.  I use them all the time.  Several things that we do while raiding ICC were suggestions from our recently departed warlock.  I get whispers from Dozzer on suggestions on how to do things.  When I know we can do them, I do.  There are correct ways to do things.  Ignoring me and pissing me off is not one of them.

I was sent a guest post from one of my guildies to post today.  At first I was going to post it, but I decided that it would end up causing more problems so you guys get this post instead.  Any suggestions as to what we could do would be appreciated.

Tomorrow I have some news to share with everyone.  So stay tuned in for it.  😀